Note from Former Mountainview Elder John Engler

I resigned as an elder at Mountainview on November 21, 2006 for personal reasons. I think it is prudent to elaborate on the reasons for my resignation and clarify my perspective on matters at hand.

Primarily, my resignation had to do with how much time serving as an elder had taken from my family. It had been under consideration for several weeks and was not in response to calls for my resignation during the congregational meeting of November 19th.

I continue to stand by the decision we made as elders to ask the Sr. Pastor of Mountainview to resign. I believe it was the right and best course of action available at the time.

Some things have been alleged concerning me:
In my past dealings with the Sr. Pastor (prior to elder training), I had no negative experiences with him and had been positively impressed with quite a few things. So I myself had a positive impression of him going into the eldership.

Further, when attempting to establish what actually happened concerning the allegations of mistreatment and wrongdoing, it was irrelevant to speak to those who were not involved in the events in question. I heard the case of those who alleged wrongdoing or harm, and I heard the Sr. Pastor's explanation as well. In making an evaluation, I had to consider the plausibility of the stories presented and the credibility of those weighing in.

The testimony of other parties (not to mention busybodies) was not relevant. This process was not an election; it was an attempt to determine what had happened and to evaluate the suitability and commendability of the Sr. Pastor for continued leadership in light of certain events that had taken place..


The explanations I heard from those hurt, the Sr. Pastor and his coach, and church consultant, along with prayer, consultation and thoughtful consideration, led me to my conclusion. I found the witnesses alleging mistreatment to be credible, and I found their explanations plausible. Many of these were past staff members whose testimony effectively cost them their membership in the church and in some cases thousands of dollars (because of the professional and other hardships they encountered). Such testimonies are not easily dismissed.

On the other hand, the Sr. Pastor
has attributed all of the hurt to "not being in the present" and a bad leadership structure. I found this a ridiculous, incredible  and inadequate explanation for the hurts that had taken place. His remaining in his position also represented a significant financial benefit on his part.

The Sr. Pastor had said that if we felt like he was the problem, then he would resign. He also said that he felt that "God had not released him from Mountainview" but that if the elders reached a decision contrary to that, he would accept it as from God.

I believed that the best course of action for all parties involved was for the Sr. Pastor to resign from his position and for the church to hire a new pastoral team that could work together to bring healing. This would then propel Mountainview to the next phase of its life. I considered this the best way to bring healing and true unity to the church, and found those prospects quite hopeful and exciting.

I also considered this the best way for the Jim to transform his role and manner of leadership-- by allowing him a new start in a new place, with adequate time and space to make the changes necessary.
To some, "forgiveness" simply means no accountability or responsibility for actions taken or results encountered. This is not a biblical definition of forgiveness. Forgiveness of sins is by grace-- but if the Sr. Pastor has not acknowledged wrongdoing (and he has not), then what forgiveness is necessary?
The fact that he was offered a position after these various allegations had come to light was tremendously gracious on the part of the elders.

Some have suggested that we could have brought Jim back as Sr. Pastor with an executive pastor and other accountability mechanisms in place. Yet efforts had previously been made to bring in other staff members to handle other aspects of leadership in the church, and the result was the situation we found ourselves in. I was concerned that if any other staff were brought in, they would experience the same problems as past staff. While various accountability programs and reconciliation programs were considered, none of these can bring about the change of heart that I believed was necessary.

In the end, leadership is a matter of trust. When trust has been broken, the ability to lead is at risk. Not only was the trust not restored in this case, I saw nothing that would allow me in a good conscience to commend the Sr. Pastor for leadership. A shepherd's role is to shepherd and protect the church, and my actions reflected that duty. I could not allow him to return to leadership in good conscience, knowing that more would be hurt as others had already been hurt.

Now some further observations and comments:
When Jim did not accept the final proposal, after past assurances that he would abide by whatever the elders thought best, demonstrated to me one last time several troubling things I had seen throughout this process: that he did not take any of the past hurtful behavior and results seriously, that his word was always open to further "spin" later on, and that he was bound and determined to be THE leader of Mountainview, over all others, elders and other pastors alike. This final attempt to manipulate the position that was offered into a position of primacy confirmed the evaluation I had come to through this process.
I think Mountainview has a lot of great people. They are nice, hard-working and trying to do the right thing. But I am perplexed-- how can great people so uniformly look the other way with toxic leadership dynamics?  How can great people stand there like signposts while their brothers and sisters are trashed out? How can great people sit there silently while a mob speaks for them and boos when certain names are mentioned? How can great people not be appalled by this sort of behavior?

Well, I'm appalled by it.

For me to remain at Mountainview is like chaining myself to all of this toxic nonsense. Do I really want to spend the next season of my life doing that? I can't justify that, especially where I have had my character assassinated for making a good faith evaluation of the matters at hand as an elder. I can help God's church-- his universal church-- in other ways than I can wasting my time and racking my brain trying to get the Sr. Pastor and Mountainview to be something they don't want to be.

I know Mountainview "works" for a lot of people. I wish them all well and pray that the necessary changes take place in time to protect more people from being hurt.

I understand and respect that some people may decide to leave Mountainview in the wake of all of these events. I count myself among them. I want to urge those of you who have left or are considering leaving to continue to remain close to the Lord and your brothers and sisters in the Lord as you move on in the next step of your journey of faith.

John